People are bouncing across boundaries - we are starting to have fun with our history rather than seeing it as something we have to castigate ourselves for. |
Perhaps we've been a bit serious about our history in the past, a bit pious. I think maybe we focused before on the gloomier sides of our history, the entanglements that didn't work, the land wars and the things that went awry. |
The debate is quite exciting. I would much rather that we're sitting there having a vehement argument than there was just sullen silence around these issues. It's part of trying to work it all out. |
The things that they do I never would have dreamt of - it's quite exciting to see that. It's almost like a string of crackers - you light the first one but what happens after that is anyone's guess. |
You get these debates in local communities and it is part of the wider debate - about how Maori and other people are going to articulate with each other in New Zealand and that can be a painful interface, |